Speaker 1: 0:04

Welcome to the Medicine Cabinet. Today I'm joined with Maline Lee Butler, who is known as the alignment queen, also my friend, also a master coach, a mother and a genius in human design, and I'm just really excited to have you here with me and talk about human design and really, my intention really is to kind of introduce people to it who maybe haven't and something that I know that you're beautiful at is really a lot taking the depth and the width of what the human design is and creating it so that it's easily digestible and able to be understood. So, with that said, I'm curious what is it about human design? What led you there, what kind of sparked the interest and why do you find it so valuable and important?

Speaker 2: 1:13

So loaded. Firstly, thanks for having me. I'm like, oh, finally some of our juicy behind the scenes conversations get to be recorded for all the world to hear. So, hello, humans that are listening in, oh, to be a fly on the wall and some of Jenna and I's conversation, yeah, so I'm really excited about this because, yeah, like you said, human design goes so deep and is so wide, and if you just simply go into the search bar of your computer, you're going to have this list of information that gets spit at you and you're going to not really be served because you're not going to know where to start, you're not going to know what to implement. So, yes, you have the information of your design, yes, you have the information of your chart, but information isn't really power unless it's implemented into your life, and so one of my kind of passions, if you will, or missions, is to really support people in understanding their unique design, how to implement their design into their real life, like in real time, and see the results. There's a lot of questions in your one question, true to four, I'm true to four. Of that one, three profiles, and so I'm really passionate about being able to break it down into layman's terms for people to understand and to implement, to not have so much mystery around it because I had experienced human design, let's say back in 2015, I believe eight years ago, as we're recording this live and I completely dismissed it because it was too confusing for me. I didn't understand how to implement it. There were some things that got me really curious about it, like oh, this to respond thing, okay, but I immediately dismissed it because it didn't really feel congruent with a lot of the work that I was doing with other entrepreneurs and coaches who are telling me to like go out there, make it happen, power hour, cold call outreach. But then, when I think back to those moments as well, that never really felt congruent for me. And so, you know, two years ago Jenna knows this, and for those of you that don't really know me, if you're listening in now, obviously you are my son passed away at full term and my son Noah passing away was at a really pivotal moment in my life, in that I was embarking on this one business venture that was doing really well and he passed away and that business venture immediately plummeted. Now you might say, well, no surprise, because your son passed away, so you needed time to heal and grieve. But the way that that was set up, it really was supposed to kind of keep flowing, and so in that moment I was really in this place of I don't know what's next. I don't really know what's exciting me. The work that I'm doing currently doesn't really excite or fire me up, so I just got clear on what didn't light me up. Now this is key for generators like myself. Manifesting generators like Jenna is to get clarity around. If you don't know what lights you up, is to get clarity around what doesn't light you up, to create some space in your energy field. And without knowing that's what I was doing, fast forward about a year after his passing, patiently awaiting what is going to be the next thing. And I kept getting human design into my space again and again and again and again and it kept being like this uh-huh, yeah, uh-huh yeah, okay, yeah. And finally, quietly, I just started getting certified as life was life-ing and people were people-ing and you know, people were like oh, what do you have to? Not much just got certified in human design and I slowly started to implement it into my world and doing readings and the feedback was just so amazing and it just kept building and building, and building and building, and now it's pretty insane. Like I look back, it hasn't even been a year that I really brought it to the forefront of my business. I have a human design book coming out, like what I have a certification academy. It's the way it's unfolded, has been so rapid, so easy. But here's the thing this is how life should be when we're in congruency with our design.

Speaker 1: 5:40

Yeah, and I can relate to that, fred. My partner was just saying to me last night like look how much we've created in the tiniest amount of time, like with what we're doing in our lives, and when you're in the pocket, when you're actually in alignment, the alignment queen, you are, you it just it's like creation collapses time. Here's a book that I created out of nowhere, out of nowhere.

Speaker 2: 6:09

Like people are like what are you up to this? That the other thing oh my god, my book is about to come out. I just got the manuscript what I'm reading, my manuscript for my book that I've wanted to write for so many years. And the thing is, with this human design book it just flew like it flew out of me. You know that's when you know things are aligned and congruent. And I don't think it's a beat up if you're feeling stagnant or stuck or frustrated. It's just an opportunity to pause and go wait a minute, like, yes, life has the moments of frustration, but if it's predominantly your experience, then maybe, maybe here was my kind of thought, like maybe it doesn't have to be hard, maybe the universe doesn't want to prove to me that me busting my butt is the way to success. Maybe the universe doesn't want it to work because it wants me to stop doing it this hard, difficult, pushy way.

Speaker 1: 7:15

Yeah, yeah, and it's curious because that excitement piece, when you don't have that in the things that used to excite you, because it changes. It changes Like just the other day I did this exercise that I'd done years ago. When I did it years ago it really confused me and like I was like, oh, I guess I should do it because this is what the coach that I'm working with is offering, and I kind of played in it a little bit and I'm doing a new thing with them and that one workshop is in it, and I got so lit up that I spent three hours like hypothesizing what's here now, what, what the idea would be, what the dream would be, what the wildest dream would be, and it's to do with finances, and it was really structured and I was like, yeah, so excited to like put it into my business, put it into our personal, put it into our joint and have it like managed in such a structured way, whereas back then structure was like the opposite of where I was at, so it just didn't excite me, whereas right now really excites me. And so I think that excitement piece when you're not knowing what is exciting you it's. It's getting rid of the things that aren't exciting you like no, no, no, no, no, and also trying some opposites again, like oh, I wonder if this is here and I didn't like it back then, Do I like it now? I might just play in it to see how I feel. And that's my experience being a manifesting generator is like being able to look at a new place or space and play in it to see if there's excitement here.

Speaker 2: 8:48

Completely. And the thing is Jenna's talking about she's a manifesting generator. So if you're unsure of your energy type, we'll make sure you have a link in the show notes or whatever to get your chart. But for those of you that do know your energy type and are familiar with manifesting generator, generator projector etc. Manifesting generators and generators, jenna and I's energy type are ruled by their sacral energy. Even if you're an emotional authority, cool, you're still ruled by the sacral, and that basically means that in your body graph, your sacral energy center is defined, and 70% of the population has a defined sacral. That's a big chunk. And so sacral ruled people manifesting generators and generators are presence, presence is their power, and so the sacral is a very in the moment, deciding energy. And so the thing is that for Jenna, revisiting the same thing that she didn't like years ago, she now likes because, for sake girls like. Well, back then it wasn't the thing, but in this now moment it is, and we're always checking in in this now moment, and that's the key to success for manifesting generators and generators is to just stay super present, and I literally just did a post, stay on Instagram about this, really understanding that, hell yes, that full body. Fuck. Yes, hell yes, fully lit up. This is the decision, and if it's not a yes, it's a no. But it's really a no for right now because same question reprompted in a week, two weeks, a year, three years, whatever could be a different answer. And I could sit here and list out. You know life's experiences of where this has occurred in my life. But I think what's important to note is that that sacral energy is a very in the moment, decision maker. So giving yourself permission to just be a yes or no. If it's not a yes, it's a no, and then shelf it. Re-ask the question, if you desire, in a week or two. It could change. But don't sit in that, because manifesting generators and generators do not do well in the gray and so sitting in the gray on something is just eating up space and mental capacity. It's like it's a no for now, great, and then I'll circle back later if I desire. But now it's off that mental load of things that you're thinking of. It's really important because that's how we and I say we because we're both the same energy type, same energy types um, that's who are best served, and it's very opposite of what we're taught. You know weigh out the decisions, make a logical decision, list out the pros and cons, what's the ROI? What will people in the industry say? Poll them, you know, and the sacral that Jenna and I have is a very bodily response. It's very visceral, really feel like a repelling or an expanding reaction to a question that's being prompted and and it should always be prompted in a yes, no format or kind of two choices. That's how we'll best be served. Now. Jenna is an emotional authority, so those of you that are listening in that are emotional authorities and a manifesting generator or generator. It simply means that after your emotional waves higher lows run their course, usually 24 to 48 hours, you want to make decisions from a place of neutrality and checking in with that sacral. How does this make me feel? Does this make me feel good, yes or no? Does this decision make me feel bad, yes or no, etc.

Speaker 1: 12:41

Yeah, it's so important that I like smiled when you, when you express that. I'm an emotional authority because I'm like, yes, I am. The emotional waves are run deep within me and really coming back to the neutrality is so important because if I, if I respond when I'm in a charged state of emotion chaos it won't end well and it's and again you know, will it happen in your lifetime? yeah, definitely, for sure, 100%, and it does for sure, like I like if I take back too quick, like I could, you know, if I don't leave space to like, just be like, oh wait, hold on, this is what's actually here, like you know, just it's there listening and because my emotions need to be neutralized, it's giving space for that and not having to like, just get the shit done, get you know, be in a response. And I'm curious because we are talking about generators and manifesting generators. So there's reflectors and projectors. What is there like? So, if that, do they not have a defined sacral, what's what?

Speaker 2: 13:54

yeah. So projectors, reflectors and manifestors all have an undefined sacral energy and so they call that sacral. The generator, hence mani gen, and manifesting generator and generator. And basically, if you think about an actual generator, it's this like machine that lights everything up if other things fail. It's like producing this energy non-stop. So it is a motor center that produces energy, sustainable energy, and gives manifesting generators and generators the ability to run all the live long day. But here's the catch only if you're doing things that light you up, only if you're doing things that you love and you're listening and going easy peasy, I'll just do the things that light me up and then I'll just continue to be replenished. But what happens is when we walk into a room, jenna and I separately, together doesn't matter. Our energy is and our energy field is big, it's wide, it's inviting, it's all encompassing. You can't walk into a room and not feel our presence. It's just, it's just gonna happen. People are going to turn their heads. You can make a judgment on whether you think that's good, bad, right or wrong, but when we walk into a room, especially if we're feeling good and aligned, we're headturners and that's because of our energy field. It's naturally inviting and the reason that's set up that way is because our strategy is to respond. So we walk in, we're like universe, and then people are asking us questions and we're responding and these are when opportunities, connections, possibilities happen. These other energy types do not have that replenishable energy center. So so long as we're doing what lights us up, what we love, and when we walk into a room and people naturally feel that energy, they they're gonna ask us so, jenna, can you clean this for us? Can you help us with this? Would you mind doing that? Hey, would you mind doing this? Maline? Oh, would you mind doing that? Because they sense we can, because we have the capability. We have that replenishable energy center. It only replenishes when we're doing things we love. Coincidentally, when we're doing things that we don't love out of duty, obligation or should it's literally like siphoning our energy everywhere. It's like a leak. People can't you know when they talk about energy vampires, etc. People can't steal our energy from us. We can only give it away by committing to things that aren't congruent with what brings us joy and lights us up. So it's really about us being super clear, especially for generators, to create win-wins. You know what's a real win-win opportunity here where, when I prioritize what lights me up, everyone else is winning as well, and those other energy types. They don't have that, and so it's not about them leaning into what lights them up. For each of them it's a little something different, but what they need to understand is because they don't have something replenishing their energy period. Rest, self-care, adequate nourishment is really important for them, and most people would say well, that's, you know, blanket across the board. Everyone should rest and nourish themselves. And yeah, for like true, I don't think anyone shouldn't rest or nourish yourself adequately. But for manifesting generators and generators, we can be a little cheeky and get away with a little little less rest so long as you're doing what lights us up, and we can also get away with some food that's a little not as nourishing, let's say, so long as it lights us up interesting.

Speaker 1: 17:41

Yeah, because that that light up or that turn on or that, whatever that is, that excitement is almost relaxing to the body. For my experience, from my experience anyway like yes, if I'm lit up by something, I'm not even thinking about having a bath or going to be. Just give me a mark and be in this until I choose not to. Yeah and so it almost like relaxes my nervous system to be in that lit up stage. But when I am doing things out of duty or should or obligation, that's when I'm like, oh, I could really use a message go have a nap.

Speaker 2: 18:22

I just need to get away from everyone yeah, totally, and I see that even in, you know, sessions with clients or, yeah, I'd say more like one-on-one sessions. There's certain sessions where I can feel myself starting to deplete and I'm tuning into. It's not necessarily the person, it's the conversation or it's the topic, and I can literally feel myself just deflating. And it's not them stealing our energy, it's just that we're in a conversation or maybe it is, you know, the actual person that we don't want to be working with. That's not no longer lighting us up.

Speaker 1: 18:57

It's no longer a congruent match and that's so important to notice as well, so important and it's easy, you know, like I, like I get it.

Speaker 2: 19:08

people are like, oh well, you're in a place now where you get to be choosy and this and that, and I'm like, yes and and At every level there's new fears that come in, you know, and there's new responsibilities that take place and I think that having integrity and being really congruent with your design supports you in navigating. You know some difficult, let's say, or challenging situations. But the more you have like that point of reference of navigating it and it all working out, the stronger that muscle gets. But in the beginning it can be a little bit like, ooh, if I release that client that's paying me all this money, am I going to ever have another client? If I release that person on my team that does so amazing, am I going to ever find someone that replaces her? Like, my first assistant was with me for six years. That was very difficult to release her. I was with her longer than I was with my husband. At that point, you know, it's like the longest intimate relationship I had had and letting her go was so. I wasn't fully intertwined with human design at that point. But looking back in hindsight I realized how it was wreaking havoc by allowing her to stay longer, and also in her life too. And now she's doing what lights her up. I have someone that's in that like loves being there and is doing so amazing and is so on top of it, so it all works out.

Speaker 1: 20:46

Mm. Hmm, yeah, and so energy times we've got the four main energy times, and then do we want to talk about profiles, because you did mention I'm a one three at the beginning of this. Yeah, kind of like, give us kind of them seeing one of those yellow books like human design for dummies. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 21:13

You know, I know the subtitle. The book's going to be out soon. We haven't landed on an actual title yet, but it's going to be something really simple, because we don't want it to. We want it to be something that you learn from just walking by the book, like you're like oh, it like makes you stop and think, like oh, what's that? But also I know what that is because it's easy to. So, yeah, so there's five energy types and then there's 12 profiles, 36 channels, 64 gates. So it gets pretty deep. Guys. My book that's coming out is just diving into the five energy types extensively, also the inner authorities that there are and then also the profiles. Very briefly, so I'd say, like if we were going to do a little 411, which is in the US, if you dial 411, it's in the information hotline on human design. I'd say understanding your energy type, first and foremost, is so important. Rah, who is the founder of human design, he said if you can understand and embody your, your design, your energy type, first, your, your life will change. If you've met, if you never go deeper. So that's first and foremost. I find for most people they try to go too deep too fast. That's why I like to pace things, give people membership opportunities in my community so that it's like slow and steady, really learning how to embody the energy type, throwing in a couple of pieces around the design to starting to map them on. So with your energy type, you're either a generator and or manifesting generator, which you likely are, if you're listening in, 70% of the population, huge chunk of people, both energy types, wide, big energy fields. Both have defined sake roles, both deconditioning process is really getting clear on what doesn't light them up. What's a no? It's a no. Get it out. Get it out of your life ASAP. The sooner the better.

Speaker 1: 23:21

That is my total experience. I just want to speak this because anytime, I say no to something that I know is either choosing me I'm not choosing it or it's not working, or it feels gross as soon as I say no to it, like everything comes in. The know is way more important than my yes, almost completely.

Speaker 2: 23:44

It's like so important for manifesting generators and generators and what sneaks in for these two energy types is that this duty, obligation and should and you're like, yeah, I never do anything out of that. Let's say you're like perfect and you never do anything out of that. What happens is it's very subtle. So your best friend, who you love all the live long day, asks you to help the move. This is an example I give often and you're like I hate moving. I personally hate moving. I don't want to even move myself. Why would I want to help my friend move by helping them move? But I love my friends and I do want to do something special, but helping her move doesn't feel good for me. So instead I go I'm a no to that, but I'm a yes to her or him and so instead I'm going to provide them with money to get a meal for the day, or maybe I even provide the meal, or maybe I provide a massage for the day after. That feels good for me. I win, they win. If I go out of duty and obligation because I have the lit laundry list of things that they did for me, I'm going to be an energy drain. I'm not going to be fun to hang out with and I'm actually going to deplete their energy as well. Years ago, one of my mentors said to me when you come into a room, you either light it up or suck it dry. What? Now you really get, you know, and, and people my whole life has said like, oh, I got maligned, or I got maligned or I need more of my malign fix. And so if you're a generator, manifesting generator, when you're aligned, when you're lit up, when you're doing what you love, you are like this oxytocin, you're like this hit, this rush that people get. And so you'll find that when people are in your space, they walk away leaving like. They walk away feeling better, they walk away feeling high, they walk away feeling like excited about life. A lot of times, people will come into my space and they'll think that they want to do exactly what I'm doing, because they think that's it. Oh, I want to do human design as well. It's not necessarily it, it could be. It's the way they're feeling after they walked away from the workshop, the experience. So for these two design types, business wise, what's so important is to know that people are buying our energy. They're very like yes, okay, offerings awesome, but it's more so our energy. So we're lit up and excited about the offering they're going to buy. And if we're just kind of like, no, it's not that the whole launch process or selling process, you need to be on this high flying kite, but you genuinely are lit up by the offer and you're excited about it. You know, when you're not, it usually doesn't translate well. Additionally, for manifesting generators, you guys are, you get urges, and so it's important to know that you're not a manifest or your part manifester. When you get an urge, you still need to wait to respond and then you can inform and initiate what just happened after the response. So, let's say, had like an idea around a course, whole people put it out there, see what the response is and then, in response to that, then you initiate, then you inform, then you tell them okay, based on what I'm getting, this is what I'm doing. Overcommitment happens a lot for manifesting generators as well. So I always say make sure that you pencil things in and then reconfirm closer to the date. And for those of you that aren't manifesting generators, give them grace, they aren't like non-committal or flaky. It's just that in the moment they said yes, it was actually a yes, but things change at rapid speed for them. So by the time it happens they might be a no and you get to honor that. That shifted for them. It has nothing to do with us, it's just that they move very quick. They move 10x the speed that we do. They learn the lessons, the blessings really fast. So those two energy types large population, 70%, huge chunk of the world the other three types are a little more rare. Projectors love that they're mapped into the rare types. They're the least rare of the rarest group but they can either be the third most common type or the third rarest. And projectors love when you tell them that they're the third rarest type. Any projector listening in is like yes, yes, yes, that's me. When you ask people their energy type, projectors are like projector, projector, I'm not a generator. And lovely thought leaders, visionaries, here to show us how to do things efficiently and effectively. They see things very different from the rest of us. They're the newest energy type, penetrated of aura. When we're around them we feel like we're naked. They can see everything. It's very hard to hide from them the kind of I hate saying problem, but the thing that they bump up against quote, unquote problem is they're not self-themed with bitterness. They dump into it often if they're not setting their world up to win. So if I were to say to them, yeah, you're the third most common, they'd get a little bitter. That's their not self-themed. They'd be like you don't really like that. And they get to really understand that the externals don't need to affect how they're feeling so much. They really get to get clear on their vision and, regardless of what someone says, they don't need to let it hit home so hard. It only hits home hard and causes bitterness when they don't see and recognize themselves for their worth, their value and who they are. So becoming wildly obsessed with their work, honing it on their skill set and their craft is so important for them and microneshing in on it. Now they can't work all day like a manny-generator. They'll work in increments, like two to five hours, two to five hours here and there, but in that time, in that five hour window, two hour, three hour window they'll get done as much or more than me and Jenna. So that's important to know that their energy doesn't work. Their energy isn't less than it, just works differently, is the difference? So staying out of their bitter energy is literally their deconditioning process. That's what I wanted to just say to you guys is here's each of the energy types. The biggest deconditioning is for those other two, wiping out what doesn't light you up ASAP, primarily and for the projectors, staying out of the bitter energy. The first thing most projectors say to me is that I don't get bitter and you're lying. So it's just really taking an honest assessment. Especially if you've been in the personal development world for like a day, you'll usually love and light things a lot Like no, I really love her and she's amazing and I would never want her to not succeed. But in the depths of your core, what's happening, what's being triggered, is like why is she there faster? Why am I not there yet? Why can people not recognize me for who I am? So it has nothing to do with that person. But being honest about that bitterness is important. So you can come home to self and go okay, I really need to get lasered in on what's my thing, what lights me up, and it's usually the thing that you do really naturally and easily, but completely oversee Like it's no thing, like everyone can do it, and then you hone in on that and craft it and get more specific. And then it's like the floodgates open because you see yourself for the expert and you get to this point where you're so obsessed with what you've created you don't care whether or not someone likes it, because you like it and you know that it's good, and you know you're good and it doesn't matter if anyone forevermore ever likes, shares, comments on any of your posts. You're just so wildly obsessed with who you are. You're like I don't care at this point. And that is when everything starts to work for you and the invitation's flood in and life responds to you and it's beautiful. And when projectors finally do get there and the ones that I'm working with are like oh my God, I finally understand what micro-neishing means. Everything just starts working and that bitter energy goes away, because it seeps into their energy field when it does, and it just repels life from them.

Speaker 1: 32:49

It's interesting too, because bitterness isn't like an emotion or an experience. I really it kind of. When I hear it, I'm like, what is that Like? I'm like is it resentment? Is it like, is it this? And I've worked with projectors who how I would relate to the bitterness showing up is like resentment. It kind of feels like resenting what they're in relationship to and like. And then when you say I can, I am sensing some resentment. No, I'm not resentful and I'm just like you just said that you're all of this and it's like not even seen, you know, and because that bitterness is an interesting one, it's an emotion that I don't even know if I've really connected with.

Speaker 2: 33:38

It's interesting because I, when I talk about bitterness, I can feel it in the air. It's like I can feel it and I can taste it. When a projector's in their bitterness, it's not so much this. Let me explain to you in words how it is. It's a felt experience because it's in their energy field. It's a sense it's like in their energy field and you know it. And then when you reflect it back to them, 99% of the time, if they haven't done this work and a lot of them haven't they're like no, no way, I totally love you. I recently had this amazing opportunity and I could sense that if I shared it with some of my projector friends, that they would be bitter, like why didn't I get it? Why wasn't it for me? And when they found out, they were like well, I'm happy for you, but I'm sad for me. That's the bitterness. I'm like I'm happy for you, but I'm like why am I not far along? And that's the projector. You know, it's like victim-y essence of why not me? Well, why is she farther ahead than me? Why does she have that I do all the same. I'm amazing. Why does no one see me? Why do they see her? Yeah, interesting, fascinating. And then you know reflectors are. Well, go back to manifestor first. Manifestors are 8%, 8 or 9% of the population. They are here to inform, to initiate and really to forge, to create new pathways, missions, movements, showing us new ways of doing things in our society. They're not meant to do all the things. They're meant to come in, share the vision, pass it to the team and then move on. One of my mentors, her partner, is a manifestor and he's like doing this and a little of that and a little of this and a little of that, but none of them does he execute. It's just like this is my idea, go execute it. So you may see that they're at the head of several boards, but they're not doing all the things. They're just coming up with the idea and then passing it along. Or they might have an idea, make money off it, pass it along, sell it and kind of move to the next thing. When they're in their not-self theme, they're angry, and so what's really important for them to be mindful of is they're the most susceptible to being conditioned. They were born all knowing, very alpha energy, very wise souls and a lot of times, and especially in the society we currently live in. I'm the parent, you're the child. So, innately, because I have more years of life, I know more than you. But manifesters are born knowing more than their parent and the paradigm we're currently set up in we don't really ask the children how do you wanna learn and how do you wanna be supported? And manifesters would have been best supported by asking those questions and being in a collaborative, co-creative experience as a child, more so than any other energy type. I think that's important for every energy type, but for them it's really a big deal. So what happens is they contort and manipulate themselves because no one listens to them and they keep getting shut down. So they go okay, well, I'm not gonna be loved if I'm me, so I'm gonna be who you want me to be. And so then I'm gonna contort myself, manipulate myself to be who you think I should be. That leaves room for lots of codependent behaviors and toxic relationships to happen, and so their biggest deconditioning is trusting themselves, trusting that they know not running their ideas by other people and just executing Again inform, initiate, so you have the idea, tell us. I like to say use the example of Steve Jobs. I don't know if he was a manifestor, but he would always say don't ask the American people what they want, tell them what they need. And that's a manifestor mantra and motto of I'm not gonna ask you, I'm going to tell you what I need and I'm gonna tell you what you need. But it's really important because they can come off, as you can imagine, very their aura, their energy field selective, so they can come off very cold. They can be a hard read and so softening and sharing behind the scenes is important for their business process as well.

Speaker 1: 38:16

Yeah, For some reason Gary V Like Gary V just came to mind, I was like I wonder if he's a manifester. He always thinks you know what we need.

Speaker 2: 38:25

I know, I know, and he's always felt like very visionary foresight. So I'd say for him it's interesting, because I'm always like eyeing people, I'm like wonder what they are, wonder what they are Maybe a projector, maybe a manifestor. I mean, taylor Swift is a projector, which is interesting, and if you watch her documentary on Netflix I think it's called like Americana or something. Anyway, she was on this big high and her high was external validation occurring. She hadn't recognized herself as the expert in the field. She hadn't owned her an eight worth without that. That came before she was able to build that, because it was at such a young age when the whole Kanye thing unfolded and she thought she was being booed on the stage. But they were really booing him. And then the hashtag of like Taylor Swift is canceled was the number one trending hashtag for I don't know a couple of months, which takes a billion plus people worldwide to continue to hashtag that. That can be really detrimental on your worth and value, especially when it's contingent on external validation, and for a projector, that is like the worst nightmare come true. And so then she went into this arrest mode, which is great, went away, got really clear on who she was, what she stood for, what her worth and value were, didn't matter what anyone else was saying. She started speaking up for causes that mattered to her Didn't wanna matter. They told her not to do it. She's like no, I'm obsessed with. This is am. This is what I'm creating of my vision. This is who I am as an expert, as a person. And then she went back out and now people like it's, like she's larger than life, bigger than before, but now it's no longer contingent on those things and that's why the things just keep coming flooding in. It's pretty amazing. Reflectors are the last energy type. They're 1% of the population. Sandra Balak, teal's mom.

Speaker 1: 40:39

I just got to interrupt and say it is so fun. When you made it, you've reflected. I know, tell me, I made one recently and I was, and I know of another one and I'm like, yeah, it's so rare.

Speaker 2: 40:54

They're so rare and it's so funny because I know so many reflectors now and I'm like this is interesting. A lot of them, when I meet them, are relieved, slash, nervous to be a projector Cause they don't number one. They're like I knew this because I've been living in this world and I never felt seen, I never felt supported. I never. I just felt like the oddball out. And reflectors have no defined energy centers. That's what makes them the reflector. They're one of the first energy types to hit the planet. There were like many, many, many, many, many more in the beginning of time and then, as we've gone, we haven't needed as many because basically they're reflecting to each other, like how to grow, how to learn, how to evolve as a human species, et cetera. Now that they're a rare type, they're here to reflect to us how we're doing as a society, to reflect to us what we're not seeing, to reflect and to bring us back home to self. So if we're doing things right, we'll wanna be mindful of what reflectors are saying and they're able to chameleon into different groups. They're sense of self. They're not here to like learn thyself, they're here to support humanity's evolution. So they might ride in with I don't know like wild and free, kind of like hippie experience, and then they could be this CEO of a major corporation in the city. It doesn't really matter. What they get to get clear on is like what do I desire, what do I want to do, what would bring me joy? And then finding the environment and the people that have already created that experience and going in there so they can ride off the energy of anyone, morph into whatever is being created. They just wanna be mindful that it's empowering and supportive of where they wanna go and what they wanna create in their lifetime. And to just be mindful that, because they have no buffer, they're super sensitive to disease, food allergies, things like that, and they'll likely show up when they're non congruent with where they're wanting to go, meaning they're just maybe you're hanging out with people that don't serve you and pretending not to know, you'll start to see discomfort, disease showing up. So they're not here to know themselves. So you, they're a hard read. You won't really know what's going on over there. It's like oh, and if you think of Sandra Bullock, she was like amazing at comedy, then she's amazing at rom-com, she's amazing at drama. There's not like one role. You're like, yeah, that's what she does. You're just like, well, she was really. Oh, but she was, but she was, but she was. So they don't just fit one model. It's kind of like Teal Swan. She's a personal development coach and like a healer and a psychic and astrology readings, but then she can be like really hardcore with some of her messaging and you're like, oh okay. And then she's like really soft and you're like, oh okay, but it all resonates because it feels authentic, because it is authentic for her. Is she your?

Speaker 1: 44:16

translator.

Speaker 2: 44:17

Yeah, yeah, so they sync more with the moon than with the sun. The rest of the energy types are more solar beings. They're lunar beings and in the night, when the moon is out, is when they'll have a lot of clarity. So going for walks at night or journaling at night, really great. You'll find that reflectors are night owls and they'll sleep in a little bit not all, but usually when they start to harness their energy and they sync with the moon. So they don't have an inner authority and they're more lunar beings syncing with the moon. Every 28 days the themes will emerge and they'll be able to make decisions, very different being, but their biggest deconditioning is to take their time, harness their unique rhythm and prioritize the environments that they're in.

Speaker 1: 45:11

So good.

Speaker 2: 45:13

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 45:13

So fun learning about your energy type, like at the beginning step with human design, like you said, it can go so deep and so wide. And I'm curious because this podcast is called the Medicine Cabinet and I've been playing with this idea of asking this question as you've been speaking, which is why do you feel that human design is like balm or medicine for a person to know about themselves? What do you think they receive when they really get to know their energy type or go deeper into who they are through human design? Why do you see that as like a balm for an individual to really experience life in a beautiful way?

Speaker 2: 45:57

Yeah, I love that question. I think that One size fits all no longer work. Step by step, formulaic ways had their time and place in our society. For sure there was a point where it did actually work, maybe not necessarily one size fits all t-shirts, but like one size fits all you know business models or food plans, et cetera. There's cold strategy, cold strategy. Yeah, there was a time and a place you know, like in the entrepreneurial world summits. They work for a lot of people very well. That time has now elapsed, like it's gone, it's finito, it's done. Formulas, step by step, they just won't work anymore. And you've started to. If you're a Manny Jenner generator, you're starting to, you've started to feel it. You're like I don't know, I don't really like doing this. They say it works, doesn't feel like it's gonna work, and that's because we're edging towards a new paradigm across the Maya 2027, it fully locks in, it's more of a right-sided society. It'll eventually evolve to a place where, like we're communicating telepathically, we will just like, really have this deep sense of what someone wants and needs. And it's all about us activating and stepping into being our own guru, coming home to the sovereignty of individual beings and then working together in unity and community. We've been in the cross of planning since the 1600s and that's gonna end and then we'll be in this one for a few hundred years. And what's important, I believe to know is that, as this shift is happening, it's important to understand how you are best supported. Your Jenna, as a manifesting generator, has then a profile one three has then an inner authority emotional has then gates and channels and different energy centers lit up. So, even though she's part of the 70%, she's very different because she has all these different nuances going on. So the more she can understand what's going on with her uniquely, she can set herself up to win, to activate that guru that she is, to bring forth the things that work and to get clear on the things that don't work. So I feel like it's a roadmap to knowing yourself at a 10x speed, because you can look at things and go oh well, this is where you're gonna struggle, this is where you're gonna sabotage, this is where you might not see things. Oh, but what about these conversations? Doesn't even matter, why are we gonna go in there? Because that's not in your design. You're not gonna struggle with like. Jenna doesn't have anything in her chart. That's like being an opportunist. You're not gonna struggle with that, so why would we be in a waste of conversation or a course around healing the getter mindset? That's not gonna be you, so we don't need to focus on that, whereas someone else will need to be mindful that that's a shadow part of them, or a necessarily shadow, but a part of them that might not support their overall vision. And so I feel like it sets you up to win. It gives you a unique roadmap to understanding yourself. It brings you home to self. We're already experiencing so many things externally that are calling us to go inward, that are calling COVID. All of these external things calling us to go home, to go inward, to know thyself, and to remember that no psychic, no healer, no reader, no, nobody has the answer for us. We have the answers, we've always had the answers, and what we're gonna start to see is that, more and more and more, it'll be so hard to even get the answer externally or to cling on to those old ways of doing. It's just gonna be so uncomfortable, and so that's why I'm so important about, I'm so excited and passionate about, this particular elixir called human design and bomb, as you call it, because I feel like it's gonna help heal so many people and it's really gonna be that bridge between science and the esoteric world for a lot of people, which will be such a delicious gap closer if you will, and you'll see, you guys, human design's gonna explode over the coming years. You're gonna see it more and more and more and more everywhere, and that's because it's such a great tool to activating your inner guru.

Speaker 1: 50:29

So good, thank you. So you have your book coming out in the next few months, hopefully by the end of the year. Yes, which is kind of like an intro to human design. Yeah, it's kind of what we've kind of been touching on today. And then at the moment, what have you got, what gifts, what are you giving at the moment into the world You're generating out?

Speaker 2: 50:52

I'm birthing so much stuff. This generator is like generating like choo-choo-choo. I currently have a course called Fuck yes, which is an initiation for generators and manifesting generators to really harness their unique design, and it's all about understanding the sacral energy, understanding the sexual and sensual energy within the sacral, understanding how to move nourish like nourish emotionally, physically, spiritually, mentally. We're bringing in experts that are gonna be helping you with your overall health and wellbeing with your online presence. There's gonna be so much amazingness. So it's four months all in just for man-y gents and generators, and then I also have memberships that you can plug into. My goodies start from anywhere from $11 upward, so anyone at any walk of life can have access to this information. And yeah, and the book's coming out soon, which is really amazing.

Speaker 1: 51:52

So it's good stuff, very good. I will put a link below to your Instagram and your TikTok and your website so that people can find you. Thank you so much. Thank you for sharing. I can tell like I mean, I've been in your space for a while but even just hearing you like you could talk about this, your generator staff could literally talk about this All day, all night, all day, yeah.

Speaker 2: 52:20

I mean literally, it's like, yeah, I literally couldn't. When you, I love being interviewed and I notice when I'm interviewed what topics feel good and lighten up and what just completely drained me, and this is just something that I literally could, I'm like, okay, let's talk about the profiles now. Oh, we gotta go.

Speaker 1: 52:41

Another medicine bottle for next time.

Speaker 2: 52:44

Yes. Another Elixir episode.

Speaker 1: 52:48

Thank you so much, so welcome.